Comments on: A Clean Environment? Maybe in One Hundred Years http://www.asbestoswatch.net/breaking-news/a-clean-environment-maybe-in-one-hundred-years/ A nonprofit online news magazine dedicated to original investigative reporting on asbestos issues. Sun, 25 Jul 2010 18:33:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: mike crill http://www.asbestoswatch.net/breaking-news/a-clean-environment-maybe-in-one-hundred-years/comment-page-1/#comment-63 mike crill Sat, 26 Sep 2009 18:57:11 +0000 http://www.asbestoswatch.net/?p=857#comment-63 Hi everyone.Hope this finds you all doin fine.This is a awesome story Paul and one that most of us have found ourselves many times in disbelief in how such things exist in a Humane world(suppose to be) at the cost of human suffering and life.It is like we all can expect this to be our future.Like what is done is done and the price being paid is the sickness and death of millions of human beings.Being a victim,as we all are, we tend to see things from a different side of the planet no matter how black and white this are, it is like we are programed to shut up and obey with a price if we do not.We have become a Nation of fear.Fear of so many things that we have to exclude ourselves from sosiety because the reality has become too much to endure.By that I mean and we all understand,the denial to this asbestos dialogue and reality that we all face today and long after we are all gone.It is because of what we leave behind that the concern, if there is to be one, is the warning and informing to protect those...by telling the truth.WE have done that since I have met all of you.This IS what WE DO,WHY we are here,WHY WE CARE...to save others from what was done to us and continues to be done on more innocent human beings by a Govt that allows these continued killings by lies being told that something is safe when in fact it is deadly.I have wondered many many times WHY something like this is so ignored and lied about.And your story again Paul,tells it like it is.Like we/they have been programed to care less and remain slaved to the Govt who kills them.Pretty damn wild if you ask me.Great example is Libby Mt.Wouldn't you say??? Hi everyone.Hope this finds you all doin fine.This is a awesome story Paul and one that most of us have found ourselves many times in disbelief in how such things exist in a Humane world(suppose to be) at the cost of human suffering and life.It is like we all can expect this to be our future.Like what is done is done and the price being paid is the sickness and death of millions of human beings.Being a victim,as we all are, we tend to see things from a different side of the planet no matter how black and white this are, it is like we are programed to shut up and obey with a price if we do not.We have become a Nation of fear.Fear of so many things that we have to exclude ourselves from sosiety because the reality has become too much to endure.By that I mean and we all understand,the denial to this asbestos dialogue and reality that we all face today and long after we are all gone.It is because of what we leave behind that the concern, if there is to be one, is the warning and informing to protect those…by telling the truth.WE have done that since I have met all of you.This IS what WE DO,WHY we are here,WHY WE CARE…to save others from what was done to us and continues to be done on more innocent human beings by a Govt that allows these continued killings by lies being told that something is safe when in fact it is deadly.I have wondered many many times WHY something like this is so ignored and lied about.And your story again Paul,tells it like it is.Like we/they have been programed to care less and remain slaved to the Govt who kills them.Pretty damn wild if you ask me.Great example is Libby Mt.Wouldn’t you say???

]]> By: Terry Trent http://www.asbestoswatch.net/breaking-news/a-clean-environment-maybe-in-one-hundred-years/comment-page-1/#comment-61 Terry Trent Fri, 18 Sep 2009 19:57:02 +0000 http://www.asbestoswatch.net/?p=857#comment-61 Nice work Paul. The questions you bring up are important. The employees that join EPA and other agencies, that are actually "good" people often end up defeating what good they may contribute by defending the agency they are with. Becoming indignant when faced with facts that demonstrate precisely what you bring up in your story. But also, all of the employees believe they are good people, even when they are doing (or not doing) extremely bad things!!! All of them!! After all they aren't thieves or murderers (per se) and lying to the public is simply something that comes with the job and is accepted by almost all government employees. (Surprisingly, shockingly, our Supreme Court disagrees with that paradigm, indicating that "lying to the public by any government employee is a crime"!! My caveat here is that I do not know if this applies to elected officials?). All these good people don't stop there, they inflate themselves with their goodness and their omniscience until, in a very few years, there is no reason at all that any normal human being should have anything to do with them, except to wash the scent of them off their clothing and body, if any chance encounter with these giant bags of hot wind occurs. My inclination is to simply say, "well, we could solve the problem if it was never allowed for any of these agencies to adopt a platform that is untrue or never to allow lying to the public". The problem I run into is that these people don't often know that they are lying. They have been passed what they belive to be "science" or "truth", usually 4th or 5th or even 10th hand, and they simply repeat it as if it must be true. Imagine the picture, some giant inflated bag of wind grooming his or her ego by preaching to the public things they have no chance of knowing, not even the thought of investigating, whether it is true or not. It is not a pretty picture. This is way before we get to enforcement and the huge problems that presents. So the next place I mentally turn, since my generosity above obviously wouldn't work, is to think that some level of intelligence must be required to work with or for these agencies in the future. Government in general is notorious for bottom feeding at the various Universities and Colleges around our country in search of future employees. That and graduates turn to government when they have no other choices. Bottom feeding results in precisely what you think it would. People who don't have any hope of knowing what truth is let alone maintaining their self esteem at an appropriate level, commensurate with the work they do. Ultimately, these agencies, paying little to no attention to our Constitution, paying less attention to common politeness, are susceptible to the peoples's wishes. The people are a far more important factor and have far greater power than their vote in any election, with these issues. Unfortunately, given the complexity of these issues, to do that, they must find truth someplace. It is with the greatest of sorrow that I announce that even in a skeptical environment, people generally turn to these agencies for "truth" on any subject. A sure fire method of having disaster after disaster after disaster occur for centuries into the future, not just decades. Best regards, Terry Trent Nice work Paul. The questions you bring up are important. The employees that join EPA and other agencies, that are actually “good” people often end up defeating what good they may contribute by defending the agency they are with. Becoming indignant when faced with facts that demonstrate precisely what you bring up in your story. But also, all of the employees believe they are good people, even when they are doing (or not doing) extremely bad things!!! All of them!! After all they aren’t thieves or murderers (per se) and lying to the public is simply something that comes with the job and is accepted by almost all government employees. (Surprisingly, shockingly, our Supreme Court disagrees with that paradigm, indicating that “lying to the public by any government employee is a crime”!! My caveat here is that I do not know if this applies to elected officials?). All these good people don’t stop there, they inflate themselves with their goodness and their omniscience until, in a very few years, there is no reason at all that any normal human being should have anything to do with them, except to wash the scent of them off their clothing and body, if any chance encounter with these giant bags of hot wind occurs.

My inclination is to simply say, “well, we could solve the problem if it was never allowed for any of these agencies to adopt a platform that is untrue or never to allow lying to the public”. The problem I run into is that these people don’t often know that they are lying. They have been passed what they belive to be “science” or “truth”, usually 4th or 5th or even 10th hand, and they simply repeat it as if it must be true. Imagine the picture, some giant inflated bag of wind grooming his or her ego by preaching to the public things they have no chance of knowing, not even the thought of investigating, whether it is true or not. It is not a pretty picture. This is way before we get to enforcement and the huge problems that presents.

So the next place I mentally turn, since my generosity above obviously wouldn’t work, is to think that some level of intelligence must be required to work with or for these agencies in the future. Government in general is notorious for bottom feeding at the various Universities and Colleges around our country in search of future employees. That and graduates turn to government when they have no other choices. Bottom feeding results in precisely what you think it would. People who don’t have any hope of knowing what truth is let alone maintaining their self esteem at an appropriate level, commensurate with the work they do.

Ultimately, these agencies, paying little to no attention to our Constitution, paying less attention to common politeness, are susceptible to the peoples’s wishes. The people are a far more important factor and have far greater power than their vote in any election, with these issues. Unfortunately, given the complexity of these issues, to do that, they must find truth someplace. It is with the greatest of sorrow that I announce that even in a skeptical environment, people generally turn to these agencies for “truth” on any subject. A sure fire method of having disaster after disaster after disaster occur for centuries into the future, not just decades.
Best regards,
Terry Trent

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